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February 21, 2008



So, is PI something like a hosted Chandler?

Chuck Hollis

Hi Jonas

Wasn't familiar with Chandler, so I popped over to www.chandlerproject.org to take a look around.

And the answer is, no, from what I could tell the Pi efforts go way beyond what the Chandler people are doing.

Hopefully, I'll be able to share more detail with everyone in the near future.

Kevin K.

Hi Chuck -

One very obvious thing comes to mind around all this cloud talk - It's a late 1990's flashback to things that execs from Sun and Oracle were talking about:

"The Network is the Computer."
"Thin clients"
"Ubiquitous information access"

My question is, do you think this is vastly different from those discussions or were McNealy and Ellison really on to something?

Chuck Hollis

Hi Kevin

I agree with you -- a lot of the conversation now is eerily familiar, isn't it?

But things are different now -- networks are vastly superior, people are more comfortable with using services rather than owning IT, and many of the supporting technologies didn't exist back then.

Simply put, I think this time around, it's gonna happen, whereas last time, it was a great idea that didn't go anywhere.

Thanks for commenting!

Dan Keldsen

McNealy and Ellison were definitely on something, whoops, you said "on TO something" Kevin... :)

As Chuck mentions, quite a bit has changed, look what networking speed (aside from cable failures in the ocean this year) has done to "flatten" the world and broaden technology outsourcing.

Lightweight interfaces and more "interactive" interfaces (AJAX-powered for example) have also had a major impact from the Net PC era - which was still fairly heavy on the client side (big Java apps if nothing else).

And of course the rise of SaaS models and distributed infrastructure that can actually deliver the goods in the end.

So all told, this is an overnight success, that began some 10 years ago!


After reviewing the Pi and the piWorx websites it looks like a Salesforce.com for consumers.

When will a product from EMC/Pi be offered?

Chuck Hollis

I suppose that's one way to describe it ... ;-)

To be honest, I don't really know when they're planning to have a consumer offering. That means it's probably not imminent, as I certainly would have heard something about it.

I want to use it too ....


But you are working on something Salesforce.com like with SAP?

EMC still has some products that still has not been released. I am assuming this will be the infrastructure for the "EMC CLOUD".

Chuck Hollis

Hi Terry -- I can't offer specifics around unannounced offerings, that'd be not-so-good for my blogging career at EMC, right?


I don't mind a distributed model so long as the computer on my desk is a computer and not a thin-client. The iPhone has changed from a thin-client phone to something more like a smartphone (if the applications can be stored on and run on the phone--not to mention the data required by the application).

My concern is that many parties are now charging per volume/amount of data you access (ISPs), limit the data based on your tier of purchase from them, and/or think their network is enough to preclude funds leaving.

AOL learned the hard way that easy and community were not enough to guarantee continued participation. Of course, AOL could have done things much differently and had a different outcome (as could have compuserve, Delphi, et. al.).

Competition will, eventually, remove the limits based on usage for the end-user. Ad revenues and site visits that drive advertising revenue depend on site visits, and site visits will decrease if end-users are required to pay for every kb they download.

I'll have to wait to see how EMC delivers. As with any technology, the delivery of any underlying technology, however exciting, means more to uptake than the technology itself.

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Chuck Hollis

  • Chuck Hollis
    SVP, Oracle Converged Infrastructure Systems

    Chuck now works for Oracle, and is now deeply embroiled in IT infrastructure.

    Previously, he was with VMware for 2 years, and EMC for 18 years before that, most of them great.

    He enjoys speaking to customer and industry audiences about a variety of technology topics, and -- of course -- enjoys blogging.

    Chuck lives in Vero Beach, FL with his wife and four dogs when he's not traveling. In his spare time, Chuck is working on his second career as an aging rock musician.

    Warning: do not ever buy him a drink when there is a piano nearby.

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